Here’s a cult church that . . apologized!

Today, I’d like to comment on an article link sent to me by Ros from CIFS info@cifs.org.au:

https://sojo.net/magazine/november-2019/how-we-let-abuse-thrive

So Wade Mullen, ex-assistant to the famous campus crusader Josh McDowell himself, later served as a youth pastor in a church with a deep history of all kinds of psychological and emotional and spiritual abuse.

And he became a target when he tried to clean it up.

He went on to study how these sorts of abuses are perpetrated in evangelical circles, uncovering all sorts of seductive mechanisms like ‘impression management’.

The solution for churches, is to publicly talk about these things and name the abuses for what they are.

And, here’s the amazing thing: incredibly, Mullen ultimately was exonerated and publicly apologized to and even restitution was made:

The church where he once served eventually invited him “to receive a genuine and thorough public apology from the current leadership, to publicly extend forgiveness to them, and to receive restitution,

This is unheard of and that church should be congratualted for their step of humility.

MCF & BCF, the one thing you have never done, is to, yourself, make a step of humility. The very step you forced on us.

You think by apologizing, and making restitution you will destroy yourself in our regard for you, and in your finances.

No. You will become pure again.

You will enter a new world and re-enter Christendom.

BCF, start with Helen Pomery. Your sin here is unfathomably diabolical and deserving of eternal damnation. Vic.

Sydney CF, you tiny house of poison, you might still have time to apologize to Aad & Aria. Yes, you Tim.

MCF, I’m available anytime. You destroyed me. You wasted my father’s life. You treated my mother and sister like refuse.

But start with Esther.

Invitation to guest authors!

Today I’d like to invite anyone and everyone to contribute, re MCF (Melbourne Christian Fellowship)/BCF (Brisbane Christian Fellowship), (via Contact) and I’ll post it here under the pseudonym of your choice.

I’ve got one ex-XCFer who is putting a post together presently.

Some diversity (and I already personally know of at least 25 families abused by bizarre XCF actions) would obviously add to our argument here that XCF have not just gone beyond Scripture but beyond human decency in the way they have treated us.

Please go on the record, because the secrets are destructive to those still in there. Seriously. I understand silence if it is to remain in contact with XCF relatives, but otherwise, there’s no reason to keep up the MCF/BCF code-of-silence.

They lost the courtesy of anonymity decades ago.

Also happy to publish contrary points of view from current XCFers as well (obviously I’ll make an honest and fair comment, which you can rebut if you wish, on such posts, but I’ll publish them).

I’ll still post every day for a while, but I want to make room for some others.

See you tomorrow.

Present Truth

It’s a Saturday.

So, have fun with these animations an inspired ex-BCF (Brisbane Christian Fellowship) congregant made a few years ago to parody BCF/MCF (Melbourne Christian Fellowship):

This should come up as a playlist of about ten clips. It spoofs Vic Hall’s so-called ‘present truth’ teachings on self-naming and offerings and . . so on. And his anti-everything else including Christmas.

I just discovered the 2nd clip is a fantastic re-wording of Hitler’s last days in the bunker (but as Vic Hall). Enjoy. At the end is a clip from the 4 Corners TV program about BCF/MCF.

Happy Saturday morning!

How do I know I am right about MCF (Melbourne Christian Fellowship)?

Good question.

Well, 90% of my blog is lists of things the elders have DONE directly to me or friends. In only a few cases, I have listed second-hand accounts from people I don’t know, like Helen Pomery, but who have listed what the elders have done to the mainstream media. And I was against what occurred to her even from the MCF/BCF elders’ account themselves! (Why we stayed after that in 2004 is another matter that accounts for the grip this cult has on people.)

Please tell me if you think these things MCF and BCF have done are at all acceptable!

And the friends’ stories I have recounted in aggregate form, to protect their identities, are from friends that are of the upmost Christian integrity. Not worldly types at all. MCF and BCF were just horrible towards them.

At MCF, whenever someone left there would eventually be a semi-official account as to why, and it was always related to the word being too hard for them or some immoral living or such. But when we investigated the cases we always found out there were two-sides to the story, and, almost without exception, the elders were simply being too heavy handed and insisting on perfection or on having their opinion on ‘disputable matters’.

Should I be more discreet? Impossible with this group. They will not talk about it! They will not bring perpetrators together with victims. They preach codes of silence as part of their message. It’s a dangerous, hideous place unless you are one of the special few sold out ones or the silent majority.

So my conscience is 100% clear and if MCF wants to defend themselves they are welcome and I will retract this blog if they can negate the major claims I make.

And if not, then this blog sits alongside half-a-dozen other major sources (in fact, Open Letter is possibly the top or second-most detailed source now) that appears on the first page of Google hits to ‘Melbourne Christian Fellowship’ for the sake of a warning to all prudent people to stay away!

Additionally, in the year I left, 2016, I read and re-read the New Testament three or four times to determine if there was even a hint of the MCF/BCF way of living and ministering in the narrative accounts or teachings. The result of course was: absolutely not.

The false MCF/BCF teachings are simply Vic Hall’s reading between the lines to find secrets that are not possibly true because they violate other Scriptures.

For example, if it was really true that elder’s are supposed to force their opinions about men’s lives, ‘without our debating or question’ and at threat of hellfire, then why does Scripture tell us:

  1. To be gentle in counselling (Pro 15:1, James 3:17)?
  2. To not get involved in ‘disputable matters’ (Rom 14)
  3. Test ‘everything’ including prophecy. How much more ‘guru’ headship if it were true! (1 Thes 5:20,21)

Or what about the letter that the apostles in Jerusalem sent back to the Gentile churches in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

“It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood”. 

Acts 15:19.20

The list of requirements was so few! But at MCF the list of requirements was so burdensome that EVERY thing you did needed to be checked with an elder.

You see, there are 100 ways in which Vic Hall’s teachings are wrong. They are not consistent with the rest of the New Testament at all. He was only interested in tingling our ears (for his benefit).

And, my father’s visions (2012 and 2019) have been very specific.

My conscience is clear.

What is it really that MCF has done?

What is MCF?

A move of God gone bad? Probably. For four reasons:

  1. Jeff Hammond’s thesis backs up the original promise of MCF/Immanuel’s restorationist teachings
  2. Both of my Dad Charles’ visions (2012 & 2019) hint at something really good initially.
  3. My personal study of the Scriptures as a techy PhD guy backs up the original promise and the deviation by Vic Hall after 1992
  4. There is a lot of evidence that the founder, Ray Jackson Snr, had a miraculous healing ministry in the 1940s and 1950s.

That begs the questions:

Q1. What went wrong?
Q2. And what did they end up doing?

What went wrong?

I’m not going to waste too much time on that because it’s very clear to most of us who left or who have read Kevin Conner’s biography.

It was the usual power corrupts story but with a twist. The power got to their heads: Ray Jackson Snr and others around him. But in this case I believe the stories that there was initially an annointing or at the very least, a genuine healing ministry.

Now, when you combine that with the restorationist word being preached. Not just about the Body of Christ and multiple eldership (concepts that are very inclusive) but also regarding so-called five-fold ministry roles.

The latter topics, including last-day apostleship, are anything but inclusive. These are, in the wrong hands, dangerous topics and clearly was a preoccupation of, at least, the congregation, and must have been for the leaders.

Was Jackson Snr a last day apostle? Why not? we sometimes thought.

Well, with those sort of wonderings, these leaders under him began to suppose they could be next in the ladder.

That was the beginning of the end. The higher up the nuttier from then on.

But mixed in were elders like Kevin Conner, Tony Lyon, Bob Holland, Jeff Hammond and Phil Baird who focused on the inclusive teachings on the Body of Christ.

And they weren’t swayed when either Ray Jackson Snr or Vic Hall fell.

Because their eyes were on the Lord.

Not on a position in a system.

What did MCF end up doing all those years?

Well, their modus operandi, in my experience of 35 years (plus 3 years investigating the claims of elders who left like Kevin Conner, Tony Lyon and Jeff Hammond who were ultimately vindicated in their very strong suspicions of one or both of Ray Jackson Snr and Vic Hall) was:

  1. The evidence is that the remaining eldership were too scared of their positions to challenge the fallen leadership or leave. After the first fall they fell right in for another one.
  2. They put up with the idea of accepting non-Biblical, untested and dangerous teachings and forgiving disgusting abuses
  3. They played wasteful and dishonest games with the congregation, making promises that never came true and rarely seeing Christ in us
  4. They just assumed they had this spiritual ‘sight’ and presumed and proclaimed away
  5. And instead of building up the Body of Christ, they puffed themselves up, and banned us from ministry thus moving 100% away from a Priesthood of All Believers, as originally promised, and towards an almost Catholic model
  6. They never considered what it meant for us for decades and decades of our lives! Going around in circles while we nearly worshipped . . them and their word!

All along we just kept trusting them.

I would have been (and would be) shaking in my boots if I was Ray Jackson Jnr or Gary Worth or Bob Stevens or David Bonham or Richard Kaa or Richie Kaa Jnr not to mention Vic Hall or Murray Wylie! Because of the lack of Scriptural support for their one-tracked, disgustingly abusive, wasteful and disrespectful teachings.

There was zero fruit and huge harm.

So, eventually, many of us left to join Christendom in freedom.

What’s been the response to the blog?

Well, after writing a 10 minute missive each day since mid-September this year, the blog gets about 100 hits a day now and sometimes gets on the first Google search page of hits (for ‘Melbourne Christian Fellowship’).

Comments are far and few between because many who have been involved in the move understandably need to protect relationships with family and friends still in it. Most of the comments are positive except many of the pre-1992ers keep reminding me that MCF was ‘never any good’ to which I partly agree noting that I stand by the promise of much of the word itself and many of the dedicated believers in there.

Hello to dear old friends and acquaintances still in MCF/BCF etc. I only slightly apologize for my ranting. I hope you appreciate we still believe many of the teachings that you do! But we can’t tolerate the abuses and cover-ups and false theology that have occurred and been preached, some, ever since the 1970s and especially since 1992.

A special hello to readers in the USA, UK, NZ, Switzerland, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore & PNG!

Hi!

Please make yourself known to me via the Contact page.

That goes for all of you of course.

And thanks for those in the WordPress community following my ramblings who didn’t even know about MCF (until now). I hope my comments on this cult are helpful to you. I actually think we can all learn from this because even normal churches can sometimes do or say cultish things. It’s beneficial to tell our pastors when that happens.

Please create pseudonym WordPress accounts if necessary (like I have 🙂 ) and comment/like/follow more frequently! Please!

And link to my pages from your blogs if you have them. And I’ll vice-versa.

Emails dropped to me via the contact page are really appreciated too. Met quite a few old buddies and some new ones including a few who left around the same time as me from other sites. Really interesting and heartfelt stories of depravity committed by XCF unfortunately.

Just so you know, there were about half-a-dozen major defections from MCF/BCF/SCF in 2016/2017 due to people realizing the cult had gone too far with their, frankly, stupid and evil judgments and partiality and presumptions.

Full on psychological abuse.

But they got out. Thank God.

Please let me know of any inside- or outside-info and I promise to only refer to it in aggregate form.

God bless you all.

Paul

To the Christian community: Warning about MCF/BCF

Hello all!

I’m writing primarily to Australia’s and South East Asia’s Christian community to properly warn you about the status of the cult-like church run by Victor Hall and Ray Jackson Jnr, called ‘X Christian Fellowship‘ where X = Melbourne, Brisbane and Sydney and many smaller branches. There are also branches in Malaysia, Indonesia and Singapore.

After 35 years of living in one of these branches, MCF (Melbourne Christian Fellowship) in Wonga Park, Melbourne, I can categorically state that it is undoubtedly a very dangerous (but non-violent) cult and any of your parishioners advising to consider attending it or having come out of it need serious counselling. I lost the best 35 years of my life there.

I am still a believer in Christ and recommend they read my blog.

After some wonderful beginnings MCF/BCF (Brisbane Christian Fellowship) has fallen twice, once at the hands of its founder Ray Jackson Snr (to immorality, 1959-1988) and the second time at the hands of Victor Hall (to his cult theology, 1992-present).

These churches gradually trap the congregation into believing all sorts of untruths and living debilitating types of lives including total shut-down of all prerogatives:

  • MCF/BCF/SCF is the only valid church
  • Their elders have automatic and systematic supernatural ‘sight’ for congregants spiritual and natural lives
  • You must obey the elder’s advice or else you will ‘go to hell’.
  • Almost nobody makes their own decisions without seeking eldership direction
  • Almost nobody does anything that appears slightly ambitious (starting a business or a ministry or a high level sport or musical talent for example)
  • You could be forced to stay in employment that you hate
  • You could be forced to do a course or take up a career that you hate
  • You could be delayed up to seven years in starting a business or up to five years in getting married
  • You are advised NOT to steward a ministry (our life is ‘hidden in Christ’)
  • You are advised just to do what your elder or ‘admin’ leader tells you to do instead of stewarding your talents
  • Long-term members shun relatives and friends who have left
  • Shunned grandparents and aunts and uncles are disallowed from contacting grandchildren and nieces and nephews
  • You will be declared worthy or unworthy
  • You will be declared marriageable or unmarriageable
  • You will be declared a master (business-person) or a slave (an employee) with little chance of switching categories
  • You will never be asked or allowed to suggest what you would be good at in the church
  • You will almost always be banned from anything you really like
  • You won’t be allowed to run a para-ministry like a Bible Study or a Craft Night at your own home

The problem with all of these things (apart from the obvious) is that these elders probably get it wrong about 50% of the time! And they forget what they said last time. They admit that they read us like ‘the cover of a book’. Not to mention that the idea of getting stuff from a ‘guru’ elder is simply not Scriptural! It takes us away from Christ and prayer and the Scriptures! We’re meant to live day by day by Christ in us!

There are around two or three thousand people across Australia living like this in XCFs including in Perth and Adelaide.

What the leadership is doing is full on psychological abuse. Because it is a close community and you obey because your friends are doing it. The theology and culture is of course is completely non-Biblical despite their claims.

The MCF presbytery and eldership comprising Bob Stevens, Gary Worth, Richie Kaa Jnr, Matt Bellingham, Ray Jackson Jnr, Laurie Holland, Richard Kaa, David Bonham, Keith Tucker and Dan Worth present as wonderful caring people but are the exact opposite.

Their only care is to get you sucked in.

After that they will tear you to shreds.

No common decency. And they lie through their teeth to cover up their sins and cult theology.

Do you believe in visions? My father had two about the leadership in 2012 and 2019. emphasizing the millstones around the elders’ necks as they play their games with the congregation, leading them on for decades and then . . nothing.

The 600 people at MCF dwindled down to 300 by 1990 after the first fall, and then down to 200 by 2010 after Vic Hall’s turn toward cult. MCF seems to be stable now and everyone there is virtually intermarried and almost impossible to counsell out of it.

The place is a death camp. Originally a place of flourishing ‘Priesthood of All Believers‘, where everyone contributed, you can now only minister out of a Vic Hall book.

In the last 25 years only three new families attended primarily because of their reputation reported online. And almost nobody has left apart from a few young people.

Nevertheless, I still wanted to report what was going on ‘behind the walls’. I and my wife and four children got out in 2016.

Here is my letter to the leadership of MCF.

Here is my letter to Vic Hall, the creator of the cult theology.

To Vic Hall, leader of BCF

Dear Vic,

Of course, none of you at BCF (Brisbane Christian Fellowship) or MCF (Melbourne Christian Fellowship) read or reply to my emails any more. Well, none of of you ever actually replied to my emails because you refuse to go on the record on anything – and for an utterly corrupted reason.

I just want you to know that I’m really disappointed that you wouldn’t sit down and talk Scripture. You just treated me as ‘friendly fire’ and . . too bad.

But you KNOW for 100% surety that Charles and I are not the usual ‘leavers’. We wanted so hard to stay. We knew our Scripture. We were so loyal to the promise of MCF and the word on the Body of Christ and Priesthood of All Believers. We loved the Brethren.

We tried so hard to stay loyal to you.

So much of what you’ve preached is true and a unique tying together of ‘hidden’ messages in Scripture that are to be ‘sought after by kings’ (Pro 25:2).

But at the end we discerned that you have a severe problem with control and balance as well as a religious spirit that has blinded you from the truth that you are now running a full-on cult.

Have you read Charles vision about your churches? Here’s his 2012 and 2019 visions.

And I’m afraid what YOUR father told you is true. You are in severe heresy.

BCF and MCF are cults that are destroying lives Vic.

You have lost your love.

Truly.

You told me once, when we spent a weekend with you, that you ‘hated being the hatchet man’, sacking leaders that needed to be sacked.

But you seem to have turned a blind eye to the lives of your entire congregation, let alone the ones who have left in depression, financial ruin and destruction, trampled by BCF’s word!

Do you realize that under BCF/MCF we second guess everything we ever do? We wonder if, in choosing the wrong job or business or marriage partner we are going to lose our salvation! You have set us all on edge.

You’ve bound us up.

I was an enthusiastic student of the word including our restorationist word. But I couldn’t get a word in with your MCF so-called ‘leaders’ for 25 years! I was reduced to the toilet cleaner, waiter and dish-washer and even unable to teach Sunday School in the end because it ended up being run by a committee of extrovert groupies which controlled how and what we taught!

And you destroyed three of my careers and caused us to lose our home! I became unemployable and lost confidence to even get a decent job for 15 years.

You did that to me.

Everything you preached, David Bonham and Laurie Holland did it to me the very next week!

You assume that whatever comes to your mind, like ‘the sight’ of the elders, is automatically right and of edification and benefit to the congregation.

It’s not! You ended up pummelling us with the harshest teachings of Christ, cultishly twisted, and assumed we all needed to apply all of it, every week! NO, being a leader is about discerning and practically investigating the needs of the community you are a leader of! Usually, balance will solve it!

And the nutty idea that elders had automatic sight! That was the stupidest idea you ever had and is not supported by Scripture.

Your assumption that hitting every one hard and ‘piercing us’ was the solution? But what about waiting for people to mature? God is patient and kind. Leaders need to be patient and kind. You have none of that. You need to put away your egotistical tendencies.

Presently MCF (I can’t directly speak to BCF) is a horrible place of partiality and judgement. It’s a very, very sick place. Nobody talks Scripture for probably 20 years. There is no more Priesthood of All Believers. Not for more than 20 years. No edifying of the Body of Christ. Now it’s all about becoming more and more expert at Vic lingo and other loveless ways.

Vic, it’s time to apologize (eg to me and Helen Pomery for a start), repent and shut down the entire system, probably to home-groups for a year or two run by non-yes men non-groupies.

And find the Lord again.

Miracles after we left MCF

After we left MCF (Melbourne Christian Fellowship) in 2016, there were a few rapid minor miracles that occurred:

MIRACLE 1. The day after Justine decided to join me in my departure of MCF I pinged Jeff & Annette Hammond on Facebook:

Help! We’ve left MCF and need to talk!

My Facebook PM to Annette Hammond, September 2016

Leaving MCF was the hardest thing we’ve ever had to do in our lives for both Justine and I. And Jeff was an elder we knew well who had left and was going from strength to strength in his ministry in Indonesia and elsewhere.

Well, the first miracle was that Annette replied immediately and . .

Incredibly we’re arriving back in Melbourne on Monday. Let’s meet at Pancake Parlour.

Annette Hammond, 5 minutes later

These are ultra-busy people. Ultra-not-in-Melbourne. That was a miracle.

We almost cried when we saw them for one of the first times in 20 years. Great pancakes too, their shout.

They helped us appreciate that we were not leaving the Body of Christ (of course). But it is how we were feeling after all the cultish teaching.

And, also, how much they were continuing on in the original solid reformationist teachings of MCF.

Within a few days we caught up with Phil and Jenny Baird, Matt & Shelley & Craig & Carol who all helped us immensely. Life would go on! And get better.

Matt loaned us Kevin Connor’s biography which is a real eye-opener. EVERYONE should read it. We now have three copies available for loan anytime to anyone. Explains the whole thing about MCF. The good and the bad.

MIRACLE 2. In our search for a new church we dropped in on the nearby Life MInistry Centre (LMC). It was ex-Pastor Hal Oxley’s 100th birthday. The yhad bed sheets up on the walls everywhere showing his old 1970s teaching materials on . . Biblical restorationist teachings that looked suspiciously MCF-ish, in a good way.

Then Pastor Oxley testified:

To learn the Bible I met every week with the great Australian and US Bible teacher, Kevin Connor. We would spend 6 hours a week together on Thursday nights from 8pm to sometimes 2am. Everything I know, I know from Kevin Connor.

Pastor Hal Oxley, October 2016

Justine and I looked at each other and almost fell of our chairs. Kevin Connor was a great proponent of MCF’s original teachings, and the elder who left MCF in the 1970s because of the known immorality of the top dog Ray Jackson Snr. And the fact the other elders wouldn’t listen to him or Bob Holland.

We immediately felt at home and made LMC our home church. We even got to meet Kevin and his wife (from City LIfe) before he passed away in 2018.

That was a miracle.

MIRACLE 3. After a men’s breakfast at LMC that October 2016, I met an amazing young guy, Sergio. He has a really honest healing ministry and just tries to help people and preach the gospel.

Well Sergio asked where we had come from. When we said MCF, he said ‘Funny you mention that because I asked the Lord last month, what is this MCF place?’

Because Sergio had seen the street signs on Maroondah Hwy.

He went on to finish the story. Apparently within a week of his prayer he was having dinner with his wife in the city somewhere. The lady on the table next to him was complaining to her husband of a really sore ankle that just wouldn’t heal. Sergio overheard and said, ‘Could I briefly pray for you?’ She said ‘sure’, Sergio prayed, and she thanked him. I think the pain began to lessen.

But here’s the miracle for us. A man on a third table, said ‘You really shouldn’t pray like that for random people.’ Sergio had a brief chat with him.

Turns out the guy was an MCF elder.

MCF just doesn’t believe in any one taking any initiative . . on anything. Even praying in public is forbidden by the sounds of it.

So Sergio knew miraculously all about the naysayer, don’t do anything way of MCF, the WEEK before we turned up at LMC!

That was like three confirmations we did the right thing!

MCF was like pointless games in a compassion-less Colosseum

Although life at MCF (Melbourne Christian Fellowship) with your guru elder was like being thrown to the lions, that’s not what I mean.

I’m talking about life in general at MCF.

The elders and up-coming leaders all could talk this lingo they had learned from Vic Hall’s Biblically-unsound books. We used it too, but not as confidently.

Words like ‘self-naming’ and ‘laying it back’ and ‘the brethren’ and ‘heaving’ and ‘thanksgiving offering’ and so on. All in normal conversation.

The real games was in watching the partiality. Elder’s kids and other ‘in’ ones seemed to go from strength to strength in their careers and businesses, stewarding them. The elders would give testimonies from the pulpit about how their kids were being promoted ahead of their colleagues because of whatever. And they all seemed to have businesses on the side if not full-time.

All whilst we were being banned from the slightest stewardings of our careers or businesses or ministries.

In church itself, at MCF, two types of things would happen all the time:

  1. The best candidate for every job was always chosen. What’s wrong with that? Well is that really ‘going to grow and strengthen the Body of Christ if it’s always a special few? No way. And the special few were genuinely highly talented speakers and preachers and teachers. But gave no room for any of us to do anything but clean toilets.
  2. An odd choice was made. What’s wrong with that? It was always an elder’s kid or an ‘in’ person. Partiality which the Scripture speak against vehemently.

It’s really not that we wanted to ‘draw to ourselves’ or take over. We just wanted to contribute as members of the Body of Christ, and sometimes not with a an apron on.

Even when we were essentially the best candidate, or the origin of an idea, we still never got a shot at anything. It felt like a horrible, twisted game when the local elders announced the Family Fun Night that ‘came from the hearts of a lovely couple’. Could that really be us? It was our plan and hearts’ desire. But of course not. It went, as usual, to the same two couples who do everything. And they disliked the idea!

Of course the sessions with your guru elder were a game. Would you be banned or blessed? It really depended on what you looked like. And how much it sounded like you wanted to do your plan. The more you wanted it, the more you were banned.

I went t othese meetings totally honestly because I wanted God’s decision. If I wanted to do something because I loved it, I confessed that. But this didn’t auger well for my life or employability.

In one case, during a session, as I was crying after a banning from starting my business, my elder pointed at me and said to his henchmen:

That’s a man with blocked goals

David Bonham (about me, to his henchmen) 1998

A compassion-less game. All whilst his high school drop-out sidekicks, standing over me, were allowed to run their businesses!

But I noticed that the ‘in’ crowd expressed almost no interest in anything they did.

Steve Anderson once told me that he had no interest in AV.

That was a lie. I’ve seen him loving the upsides and AV-ness of running his businesses.

MCF was a horrific, ugly game that the Yes Men played. And we watched, as my father saw in a vision last month (October 2019).

Another game was them getting you to think that you were running a program. And then right at the end after call ons and call offs and call ons, they announced, with a grin, that it had no budget.

A last example of games and unnecessary competition comes from an Easter Camp down in Warnambool. My ‘lovely’ elder David Bonham, came to tell me he wanted to put my name forward as a potential future leader. But he couldn’t. My unsettledness in accepting my bannings, from career and business and wanting to ‘name myself’ meant he couldn’t. And not only that. i needed a ‘conversion experience’. Where do I get one of those David?

It was a horrible, nasty and wasteful place.

Unless you liked being trodden over by your friends and leaders.

Or being asked to do everything you hate and being told not to offer to do what you know you can do.

What a waste of humanity.

And it all came to nothing

After all these games, for more than two decades, nothing ever came of any of it! It was utterly pointless.