Brisbane Christian Fellowship (BCF): Complete Contradictions

Are these statements by Vic Hall & friends from BCF – compatible?

This word we are preaching is a proclaimed, fathered word. It has been tested by the presbytery. It is not to be debated or questioned but acted on. If we self-name ourselves there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Those who name themselves will ultimately go mad. Their worm will not die.

Vic Hall, Murray Wylie & company (1995-2010-ish). Every month or so.

These books only have a lifetime of a few months, or maybe a year or so. After that you should burn them.

Vic Hall (2015)

We mixed up the revelation about the twin palm trees and the twin bowls of Zechariah and incorrectly thought it should be applied today.

Vic Hall & Ray Jackson/Gary Worth (2013/2014), as best as can be remembered

In one breath Brisbane Christian Fellowship tells us they are essentially infallible and must be obeyed as if they are the apostle Paul. In another: burn the books! And then . . we got it wrong about our teachings coming from a superior Zechariah-ish apostolic bowl.

And no apology about harm done!

Only in the most twisted sense are these statements compatible: you must obey us or got to hell . . but we could be HUGELY wrong!

Of course the apostasy was and is Brisbane Christian Fellowship telling their congregation, in the first place, that the elders must be obeyed or the congregation will go to hell.

Brisbane Christian Fellowship (BCF): What actions are required

After hideous abuses of myself and hundreds of others, mostly denied or ignored, both BCF (Brisbane Christian Fellowship) and MCF (Melbourne Christian Fellowship) need to make some rapid Christian moves for the sake of recovering their ‘lampstand’ and any possible integrity:

  1. They need to publicly admit on-line, in church (with video-ing) and in person to victims that they have committed these abuses addressing – in detail – many examples including the top ten on my list and others
  2. Admit multiple false and over emphasized teachings & practices – stemming from BCF – & delinquency & lack of care – committed by all XCF presbyteries – are the fundamental causes of these abuses
  3. They should make apologies and recompenses (as requested by Vic Hall in some cases).
    • In my case the abuses hit me hard for 25 years but I discounted my estimated damages down from the actual $10M to $200K when MCF asked me what restitution I would estimate
  4. They need to demonstrate somehow that they are genuine in heart
  5. Enable victims to address joint sittings of present and past presbyteries including perpetrators they identify
  6. The leadership at BCF and MCF should stand down. Find Jesus again. Remember when it wasn’t about empire building and control?

You want healing? That’s what it will take. Anything less is a whitewash. There is little precedence for this. There is none in the New Testament remotely similar. We can only extrapolate from the case of a single leader needing to be publically put out and then ultimately forgiven.

In this case we have systematic heresy and abuses and colussions from multiple presbyteries.

The WWII Jewish Holocaust is the closest analogy. Many of us lost our freedom and/or families for up to 25 years.

If BCF & MCF don’t do this, I would ask all of you congregation members to ask yourself, what are you doing in this crazy place that believes in systematic:

  • control
  • manipulation
  • presumptuous demands, ‘imputations’ & ‘laying-downs’
  • threats of hell fire for leaving church or disobeying elders
  • ministry bannings & destruction
  • career and education bannings & destruction
  • marriage breakups or bannings
  • shunning of family members
  • pigeon-holing
  • cover-ups
  • lies
  • proclaiming of non-Biblical truths
  • one-tracked teaching for 25 years

Ask yourself: Is this really what you signed up for?

Are Uncle Vic and co at Brisbane Christian Fellowship really for us or for themselves?

What about . . Jesus?

Brisbane Christian Fellowship (BCF): The Elephant in the Room

The foundational spanner in the works at BCF (Brisbane Christian Fellowship) is the presbytery’s and congregation’s assumption that their leader, Vic Hall, is not just basically sound but so in-tune with God that he has visitations of Christ AND that after those visitations he can conjure up new teachings that are God’s revelatory plan for the global church and weren’t even mentioned in the visitations.

Maybe you think I’m kidding.

I’m not. That is the full list of assumptions this church has about its leader:

  1. Basically sound (like any leader)
  2. Has had 2 visitations of Christ (1975 & 2007)
  3. Has (unrelated to the visitations), continual revelation of God’s unfolding plans for the global church

Now, it’s all possible in theory.

But is it true? The fruit of this church speaks otherwise to all three of these, (1)-(3).

What Vic Hall has incorrectly proclaimed against other churches (that they are all going permissive etc), his banning of the reading other Christian books and commentaries and what close contacts of Vic Hall tell us about Vic Hall (ambitious, egotistical, without empathy, nasty, shunning, controlling, even womanizing) speaks otherwise re point (1).

Basically BCF and MCF (Melbourne Christian Fellowship) have essentially come to believe anything he says. The word they proclaim is to be accepted without discussion:

This word we are preaching is a proclaimed, fathered word. It has been tested by the presbytery. It is not to be debated or questioned but acted on. If we self-name ourselves there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Those who name themselves will ultimately go mad. Their worm will not die.

Vic Hall, Murray Wylie & company (1995-2010-ish). Every month or so.

BCF & MCF have accepted that he can lead as if an apostle of the level of St Paul.

But why?

His teachings are not supported theologically or narratively (by looking at the way they lived) in the New Testament. And have caused so much harm. They shun people, ban family connections, ban marriages, delay marriages for 3-5 years, force young people into careers they don’t want, stop men running businesses, declare and pigeon hole people as workers (employees) or masters (business owners)!

From the pulpit they have made tiny apologies:

These books only have a lifetime of a few months, or maybe a year or so. After that you should burn them.

Vic Hall (2015)

We mixed up the revelation about the twin palm trees and the twin bowls of Zechariah and incorrectly thought it should be applied today.

Vic Hall & Ray Jackson/Gary Worth (2013/2014), as best as can be remembered

Well those ‘bowls of oil’ we were taught was the word of God from the presbytery. And there was no other source of the revelatory ‘present truth’ word of God!

Congregation members: this was . . apostasy! Not tiny errors. And they admitted it on this occasion!

They made non-apology apologies too (lies actually) about guru headship:

We never taught that elders should be involved in the minutiae of men’s lives!

Vic Hall (2014-ish)

Here’s the elephant in the room: what if it’s All wrong? I mean the twists and empahses. What if it’s just from Vic’s head? And what if Vic Hall dies? And we’ve devoted ourselves to unquestioning obedience to it in our daily lives? For 25 years!

Why on earth should we expect revelations about new teachings ? And from one man without dual witness for confirmation?

In the book of Acts Paul and Peter – from totally separate backgrounds – were witnesses to each other. Here we’ve just got Vic Hall who can say whatever he likes!

Jesus warned us against isolationism:

At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.

Matt 24:23

We should not be expecting ‘new moves’ from a solitary source. The rejuvenation of the infilling of the Holy Spirit started at many multiple locations around the earth at the turn of the last century.

The earlier, solid restorationist teachings on the Body of Christ and Multiple Eldership were plain readings of Scripture! Not convoluted arguments about elders being gurus with automatic ‘sight’ that were not plainly stated nor evident in the way the early church lived.

It’s outrageous that after Ray Jackson Snr fell we should hunt around for another one in the same mould. After the sin of Jackson!

Are we nuts?

Yes we were were.

Or at least the BCF/MCF presbytery were.

Some admissions at BCF?

A few days ago ‘Faith Hopegood’ at Streetcar has posted about some admission being made at BCF of errors at TCF (Toowoomba Christian Fellowship) and even some teachings being wrong from the BCF pulpit!

http://www.streetcar.org.au/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=103

This is good news of course, as we have similarly reported here too earlier about MCF.

It’s primarily about TCF and David Falk but also admissions about BCF teachings is interesting.

BUT it all seems too little and too late.

Hopefully I’m wrong.

When they contact the ones on our list and make public apologies and pay restitution they will be able to move on.

Can anyone from BCF tell us here what admissions have been made?

What teachings were wrong?

MCF, this is what God really yearns

MCF (Melbourne Christian Fellowship) – and all of us – what God really wants is actions of justice and kindness.

I just read Isaiah 58 this morning.

It couldn’t be clearer. In this case it was how you go about fasting. But for us it can be how to go about anything we do.

First the Lord told them how they WERE fasting:

Yet on the day of your fasting, you do as you please
    and exploit all your workers.
4 Your fasting ends in quarreling and strife,
    and in striking each other with wicked fists.
You cannot fast as you do today
    and expect your voice to be heard on high.

Is 58: 3,4

And boy, were we exploited.

And then he tells them the point of it all. Even in much of the Old Testament it was about the heart and actions and freedom and care and not the ceremony:

to loose the chains of injustice
    and untie the cords of the yoke,
to set the oppressed free
    and break every yoke?
7 Is it not to share your food with the hungry
    and to provide the poor wanderer with shelter—
when you see the naked, to clothe them,
    and not to turn away from your own flesh and blood?
8 Then your light will break forth like the dawn,
    and your healing will quickly appear;

Is 58:6-8

As for us all, MCF, you must hear these words above. That is what we must be doing.

When we watch out for injustice and care for the little ones – like the ones on our list – it is as if we are doing it to Jesus:

38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

Matt 25:38-40

How much the Lord looks to those who uphold justice.

Old or New Testament.

It was like prison but I forgive you.

I’ve never been to prison but it felt like imprisonment at MCF.

Yet I loved the place too. And the congregation. Like you all.

But not the

  • partiality
  • presumptions
  • shunnings
  • forced obedience to do NOTHING.

The forced obedience to do nothing – and At threat of loss of salvation.

That was horrific. Soul destroying. Month after month. Year after year. For 20-25 years.

The angst was so palpable. You had to tell yourself to calm down and trust the Lord. Whilst wanting to boil over every time they were harsh yet again. And worse every time. For 25 years.

See, maybe for those still there maybe you are not brimming with ideas for businesses or ministry it’s all OK. But you forget the harm to us. For us who are always coming up with ideas it was like prison. And for those whose marriages were banned, well we can only imagine how bad that is. There are people there who should have married outside of MCF but got locked into the cult. It’s still not too late.

I keep at this site once every 2 or 3 days because I want at least this record of what happened to be prominent on the web. I don’t want it forgotten and to drift way down onto page 5 of Google.

Not until something is done about it.

For the sake of my God given talents and opportunities and dignity which were trodden into mush. Into forgetfulness.

For the sake of those still in there.

MCF, please contact me and apologise and make restitution publically.

I want restoration with you.

Leaders of MCF & BCF: I forgive you.

I do.

I actually even like David Bonham deep down. His friendship with my father was genuine.

But while you are still doing it (still locking people up, still unrepentant, still shunning, still maintaining a code of silence, still un-Biblical, still banning marriages, still presumptuous about so-called ‘sight’, still holding a captive audience . . captive), for the sake of my dignity and losses and others, I cannot let this testimony drift into insignificance.

So why do I not blame myself?

I occasionally get asked this.

Well, I sort-of grew up in MCF (Melbourne Christian Fellowship). My Dad got sucked in when I was 10 years old. And, although I didn’t start going regularly until I was 17, I had become a firm believer in its Bible-based reformationist teachings because of Dad and the books he gave me whilst I was at the Lutheran Church with Mum.

Dad, somehow, was totally isolated from all the bad stuff.

MCF under Ray Jackson Snr

OK, but I myself, did gradually become aware of the pre-1992 hidden culture of MCF and its leadership:

  • shunnings
  • isolationism
  • lording over
  • grandstanding
  • partiality
  • lack of care
  • laziness
  • closed finances

But had only ever heard rumours of womanizing in the eldership from supposedly unreliable sources.

So you gradually become aware of these things. You accepted some of these things as over-reactions to isolated statements in the Scriptures (eg shunnings of ex-members or isolationism). And, for others, (eg lording over, partiality or lack of care), you knew if you ever became a leader there is no way you would carry on like that.

And you also don’t expect perfection despite the place preaching perfectionism.

It was REALLY disappointing.

But somehow you assume that these things are minor or exaggerated. Tares and wheat. For now.

So, yes, I partly blame myself for not following up on those things.

MCF under Vic Hall

From around 1993 onward, Vic Hall very gradually started introducing his heretical ‘messenger word’ which I call ‘guru headship’.

But it was like being gradually boiled like lobsters.

At the start it was just Biblical headship.

But it got gradually crazier and crazier until we couldn’t do anything (invest your money, change job, start a relationship, start a business, go on holiday, buy/move house, start a para-ministry) without ‘working through it’ with an elder.

These deep and meaningfuls could take months and years.

Life kind of stopped. We only did things we were 100% sure God accepted.

And it was worse than that.

The teaching became that wanting to do almost anything was just plain evil. It was called ‘naming yourself’. And we were taught we would go to hell because the only thing that the Lord accepts is works done according to his naming. So everything in life was ultimately banned except playing sport and going on boating trips (what all the elders liked doing).

But by then, we had all become a community. We were all going through it together. We all talked about how ‘precious the word was’. How honoured we were to have this word. If we left we knew we would lose contact with friends and family.

And, to be honest, the world outside looked pretty deviant. And a lot of the othe churches seemed to be becoming very permissive. So we went along with it.

Leaving felt like leaving the Body of Christ. We always said, leave to what? But tha twas the cult, to make us think there was nowhere else.

And it got worse again and ended up looking like this:

No man can start a business unless he is asked to by an elder

David Bonham to me (1997)

That is as good as never. All whilst all the elders’ younger kids than us are starting businesses left, right and centre.

Elders like Tim Maurice were banning marriages and shunning in-laws and so on.

I stupidly obeyed these types of ridiculous and presumptuous declarations and partialities for between 7 and 25 years depending on how you look at it.

Do I blame myself?

Yes. But for only for being too trusting.

From an accountability POV, in the end, ultimately:

NO.

Because we were manipulated.

We were tricked.

This was a leadership that took advantage of us as an isolated community and tested out selfish and demeaning teachings on us that they knew were only guesses. And they gave the impression that their declarations were like prophecies.

This word we are preaching is a proclaimed, fathered word. It has been tested by the presbytery. It is not to be debated or questioned but acted on. If we self-name ourselves there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Those who name themselves will ultimately go mad. Their worm will not die.

Vic Hall, Murray Wylie & company (1995-2010-ish). Every month or so.

Paul, didn’t you know that these teachings were all just theories?

Murray Wylie (2018)

And they only tested us as far as they thought we – individually – would go.

They didn’t want us to leave so it was gradual, gradual until there was nothing of our humanity left.

I don’t blame myself for falling for deception and manipulation of this magnitude.

I am genuinely shocked that our friends at MCF sided with the elders

Maybe I just think too highly of myself or something. Or of my wife.

But I thought people at MCF knew we were

  • genuine
  • honest
  • Bible-based
  • obedient
  • pious living
  • hard working
  • committed to the Lord
  • committed to the leadership (to that point)
  • beyond partiality & lies & all of that

So I was shocked that our friends sided with the elders when we told them our story of 25 years of manipulative psychological abuse leading to financial, psychological and spiritual damage:

  • disgusting, demeaning psychological and spiritual abuse and manipulation during monthly ‘sessions’ (always under threat of loss of eternal salvation)
  • banning from doing an overseas internship
  • destruction of multiple specific careers in academia & industry
  • forced stay in a job I hated for FIVE (5) years
  • banning from multiple business opportunities
  • delay of commercialization of my software for SEVEN (7) years
  • made complete mockery of my choice of vocation, my entire life and my reputation in the community
  • banning from any significant ministry
  • destruction of my employability
  • loss of our house
  • banning of all my plans and joys (which were declared idols & trophies)
  • almost 25 years of suffering thinking I had been sinning because I simply wanted to switch from science to tech startups
  • thinking I was in danger of loss of salvation over my plans

I got nutty respones like:

  • Maybe you needed that humbling?
    • But I told you:
      • Vic Hall, Bob Stevens & Richie Kaa say the elders went way beyond their mandate!
      • Gary Worth is delinquent, all he says is ‘there’s nothing he can do unless it’s sex abuse’
      • Yet Richie Kaa Jnr counselled the perpetrators and told them off & was hugely disappointed in them!
        • But he refused to deal with Laurie Holland, our ‘elder statesman’ elder
        • And Laurie Holland refused to reply to my emails
      • Vic Hall told them all to apologise and pay restitution
        • But the presbytery didn’t follow up on it!
  • Maybe you STILL needed that humbling?
    • You’re changing the subject. The issue is that in their preaching and actions they are lording over, slapping us in the face & taking advantage of this community like the super-apostles of 2 Cor 14
  • But your house cost 10% more than mine
    • We’ve got 4 kids & for two professionals it should have been no problem at all
  • Of course the elders aren’t perfect, but we just obey the elders and trust the Lord
    • But 2 Cor 11 says not to accept leadership that lords over!
  • It’s not our accountability
    • Where’s it say that in Scripture?
  • Let the elders solve it
    • Where’s it say that in Scripture?
  • No, I wont come with you to the elders
    • Not one person came with me, despite Scripture saying to take a witness!
  • You have to forgive
    • I have, but Vic Hall still told them to pay restitution. The elders destroyed my career!
  • It’s only like that at your homegroup
    • But what about this list of dozens of families destroyed!
  • I don’t believe you
    • But the perpetrators admit most of it!

Every response EXCEPT:

  • Yes, it is disgusting & we need to go right now and do something about it

When will you stand for the truth men & women of MCF? You all ignored our story despite evidence. Nobody else who left ever told me what had happened – even when I asked, or gave me evidence like this. But I gave you the evidence! And you could have asked Justine. You chose to treat us like doormats, just like the elders have for 25 years all over again!.

So . . what?

  • Justine and I are liars & disobedient & over-reactors?
    • Really? I was reduced to persona non-grata by them. Unable to get a proper job for 15 years. Held back from my God-given talents for 25 years. Simply not allowed to do things I loved doing. Justine was banned from running craft nights or family fun nights. We begged to be involved in teaching and were knocked back every time.
  • No! It was all based on elders & presbytery theories. And at threat of loss of salvation. Can’t you see how sick & stupid this judgemental ‘messenger word’ is?
  • Or that sort of abusive behaviour by the elders is OK?
  • Or that sort of lack of care over 25 years by the presbytery is OK?
  • Or that sort of cover-up by the presbytery is OK?

Ask:

  • Keith Tucker
  • Richie Kaa
  • Russell Baird
  • Mal Terlich

But watch out, even these men have partly betrayed me OR have chosen to live amongst and serve unaccountable liars OR both.

What is MCF/BCF, in essence?

MCF (Melbourne Christian Fellowship), the founding church of the XCF group, including BCF (Brisbane CF) which, has become more prominent under Vic Hall.

What is this abusive beast?

It’s a church built by an extremely flawed individual, Ray Jackson Snr, who, at some point, had a grace and calling to facilitate a Scriptural restorationist word, but fell horrendously out of a lust for controlling power and sex.

But in their lust for power, Jackson, and their followers, fell for the promise of becoming the leaders of the global restored church. Ushering in a move that could bless the Church is one thing. Hoping to be its leaders is something else.

So it’s an extreme lust for power and a lack of humility. Over-reaching.

Vic Hall of BCF is no different in his lust for power. Just a different manifestation of the same thing.

So what has MCF and BCF become?

They’e become a move of God that actually never initially intended to become a church.

And it shows.

They have no care for the flock.

Zero.

At the top, their only true care is to retain power. Any semblance of care from the top is illusionary.

They look like they care but only in so far as ones follow THEIR precise word. If someone wants to leave then the yget damned! That shows the true lack of care and love.

By their fruits ye shall know them.

Matt 7:16

So their lack of care and lust for power means:

  • Complete misunderstanding of reality
  • No care for the humanity of the individual
  • No care for the ministry and development of the individual
  • No study of the general Word of God
  • No discernment of the needs of the congregation
  • Threats of hell fire if their word is not followed 100%
  • Forcing of prophecy to be on their warped ‘present word‘
  • Manipulation and misuse of members
  • Gagging of members
  • Waste of members
  • Shunning of ex-members

At the top, MCF and BCF is a Satanic, loveless religious movement.